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More anger means more joy: part two with Soraya Chemaly

What do we lose when we’re not allowed to be angry? This week on It's OK, we're talking about anger with best selling author of Rage Becomes Her, Soraya Chemaly.


Rage Becomes Her (and by “her” I mean US) with Soraya Chemaly

In a lot of ways, anger is more taboo than grief. They’re deeply related, as you’ll hear in this two-part episode with the best selling author of Rage Becomes Her, Soraya Chemaly.


Do you have to be friends with everyone? with Dr. Alexandra Solomon (part two)

What should you do if someone wants to be friends, but you’re not into it? This week on It's OK, part two of our show about boundaries - how to make them, how to keep them, and sometimes, how to breach them, with Dr. Alexandra Solomon.


Tricky Boundaries & Skillful Negotiation with Dr. Alexandra Solomon (part one)

Boundaries are part of all human relationships, but they are TRICKY. This week on It's OK, part one of our show about boundaries - how to make them, how to keep them, and sometimes, how to breach them, with Dr. Alexandra Solomon.


Complex PTSD and the art of survival with author Stephanie Foo

If you’ve lived through horrific trauma or abuse, is it really fair of us to say that the ways you’ve learned to cope are “bad,” or to use clinical speak, “maladaptive”? This week author Stephanie Foo joins me to talk about complex PTSD and the ways we pathologize human responses to trauma


Organized Grief = Social Movements with Malkia Devich-Cyril

Grief is everywhere, so why aren't we talking about how much it connects us? Don't miss this week's episode with poet & media activist Malkia Devich-Cyril.


How to Help a Grieving Friend: The Animation


Don’t Clean Up! (and other tips)


Infographics & Tipsheets


How to handle judgment on your grieving process


The Reality of Loss


How Long Does Grief Last?


What Are The Right Things to Say?


How to Talk About Suicide


What is grief shaming?


Is it Grief or Depression?


Is their grief normal?


Let people be sad (and other tips for supporting a grieving friend)


What’s the deal with Prolonged Grief Disorder (and why should you care)?

Did you hear? Psychiatrists have decided how long someone should grieve! On this week's show: What's all the fuss about Prolonged Grief Disorder?


Meditation for Grief


It's Okay - Book Detail Page


Does Everyone Cry?


How to Find a Grief Therapist


Can You Prepare for Loss?


Sam Sanders: Life Has Been Lifing

This week on It’s OK that You’re Not OK: Sam Sanders: Life Has Been Lifing   Sam Sanders is a well known and well loved radio and podcast host. He went a little extra-viral for a recent episode of his show, Vibe Check,  in which he and his co-hosts openly discussed grief. Maybe you heard…


The Weight of the World


We need to talk about grief


How do I feel alive again?


How to handle grief


Diagnosing Grief


Healthcare workers are TIRED.


What's considered "normal"?


It's Okay That you're Not Okay Audio Book


How to Carry What Can't Be Fixed: A Guided Journal For Grief


How to Carry What Can't Be Fixed

Discover healing through reflection with our Grief Journal. Guided by Megan Devine's expertise, find support and understanding in your grief journey.


Connection is the best medicine: with Dr. Rana Awdish

This week on It’s OK that You’re Not OK: Connection is the best medicine: with Dr. Rana Awdish:   Ever wonder what doctors say about their patients when they think no one can hear? Dr. Rana Awdish doesn’t have to wonder – as a patient, she overheard a lot of distressing things. Her experience led…


Do I stay or do I go? Caregivers under stress; with the co-founders of the New York Zen Center for Contemplative Care

This week on It’s OK that You’re Not OK: Do I stay or do I go? Caregivers under stress; with the co-founders of the New York Zen Center for Contemplative Care   It’s no secret that healthcare professionals and caregivers of all kinds are stretched beyond their limits. We can’t look to healthcare systems themselves…


Is There Enough Love to Go Around?

This week on It’s OK that You’re Not OK: Is There Enough Love to Go Around?  The world can feel like such a lonely place sometimes. You ever feel like there’s not enough love and support to go around? Like there’s a severe shortage of compassion in the world?


Tembi Locke: From Scratch

This week on It’s OK that You’re Not OK: Tembi Locke: From Scratch. Is it still a Hollywood love story if it doesn’t have a happy ending? Tembi Locke joins me to talk about love and Hollywood, time and meaning.


Judgment happens. It's OK.


It's Ok that You're Not Ok

Explore Megan Devine's grief book It's OK That You're Not OK, offering deep insights into loss and healing. Learn how to navigate grief with compassion and support.


Why do we celebrate trauma (aka: resilience)? with Dr. Gabor Maté

What is personal agency and why does losing it create disease? Dr. Gabor Maté discusses the role of trauma and grief in our personal lives and in society at large.


Collective Grief and Communal Joy: with Baratunde Thurston

Can you heal pain by focusing on joy? Baratunde Thurston gave what’s been called “the greatest TED talk of all time.” This week’s episode is a fascinating discussion of both grief and celebration – and why you don’t get one without the other.


The Full Experience: fitness, love, death & community with Supernatural coach, Leanne Pedante

This week on It’s OK that You’re Not OK: The Full Experience: fitness, love, death & community with Supernatural coach, Leanne Pedante. Have you ever wanted to just SMASH things? Leanne discusses the ways grief upended her life, how both movement and community have kept her alive, and why grief-informed fitness should be a thing.


Holiday Debrief: ghosting therapists, new year’s breakups, and holiday angels

This week on It’s OK that You’re Not OK: Holiday Debrief: ghosting therapists, new year’s breakups, and holiday angels. The holidays are over – you made it. This week, a holiday debrief, including bad behavior from therapists, why religion is not the answer to grief, and some true facts about dating after loss.


New Year’s Resolutions vs “aggressive futurism” with Kate Bowler

This week on It’s OK that You’re Not OK: New Year, Same Grief (and the Math of Suffering) with Kate Bowler – Part 1. Is acceptance overrated? What happens when you have to face a new year without your person in it (or without the health you used to have!)?


New Year, Same Grief (and the Math of Suffering) with Kate Bowler – Part 1

This week on It’s OK that You’re Not OK: New Year, Same Grief (and the Math of Suffering) with Kate Bowler – Part 1. Is acceptance overrated? What happens when you have to face a new year without your person in it (or without the health you used to have!)?


A Christmas Eve Tradition

This week on It's OK that You're Not OK: A Christmas Eve Tradition My dad used to read ‘‘Twas the Night Before Christmas” every Christmas Eve when I was a kid, after dinner and before we opened our Christmas pjs. This year I asked him to record it so I could share it, and my dad, with you.


Your Holiday Survival Guide: Family Dynamics Edition

This week on It’s OK that You’re Not OK: Your Holiday Survival Guide: Family Dynamics Edition. The holiday season is sometimes joyful, sometimes stressful – and to be honest, it’s usually a mix of both. Between external pressures and family dynamics, we figure everyone can use some tips on making it through the season.…


Permission to be free with adrienne maree brown

This week on It’s OK that You’re Not OK: adrienne maree brown: Can we give ourselves permission to be free? What if there’s nothing to fix? What if you could just, you know, be yourself – whatever that looks like today? 


Living with chronic illness: a conversation for everyone with a body, with Sarah Ramey

If you’ve ever felt invisible because of an illness or disability, or loved someone with a chronic illness, this week's show with Sarah Ramey is for you.


What happens to childhood grief when you grow up? with Allyson Dinneen

This week on It’s OK that You’re Not OK: What happens to childhood grief when you grow up? with Allyson Dinneen. Our early childhood experiences of grief – and how our family systems dealt with loss – have a huge impact on our adult behaviors and relationships.


It’s Been Ten Years: What You Need to Know About Sandy Hook Survivors, with Nelba Márquez-Greene

This week on It’s OK that You’re Not OK: Gun violence, graphic imagery & the Washington Post; with Nelba Márquez-Greene. Recently The Washington Post released graphic images, videos, and audio recordings from mass shootings, in a report called “Terror on Repeat.” Should news outlets attempt to push awareness through the use of graphic imagery?


Sometimes loss is freedom: a conversation with Rebecca Woolf

This week on It’s OK that You’re Not OK: Sometimes loss is freedom: a conversation with Rebecca Woolf. What if you were just about to get divorced, but your partner gets sick? Like really sick? Rebecca Woolf was just about to leave an unhappy marriage when her husband got sick and died.


Is it time to retire the stages of grief? (Spoiler: yes)

This week on It’s OK that You’re Not OK: Is it time to retire the stages of grief? (Spoiler: yes) Everybody knows the stages of grief. Even if you didn’t go to grad school, I bet you can rattle them off. Thing is – those stages don’t help anyone: not the pros trying…


Can we make this place beautiful? with Maggie Smith

Does anything remain after devastating loss? Author Maggie Smith discusses writing, divorce, miscarriage, & why the lemonade isn’t always worth the lemons.


Wonder in an age of violence: Valarie Kaur & See No Stranger

How do you work for a more just world for EVERYONE, when some of those people cause great harm? Find out on this week's show w/ special guest Valarie Kaur.


The Old Gays talk life, joy, and the missing generation of gay elders

This week on It’s OK that You’re Not OK: The Old Gays talk life, joy, and the missing generation of gay elders. Being fabulous can save your life. The Old Gays are a social media sensation: flamboyant outfits, lip-synced dance parties, and risque theatrics you might not expect of men in their 70s...


A Place Called Home: a conversation with child welfare advocate, David Ambroz

This week on It’s OK that You’re Not OK: A Place Called Home: a conversation with child welfare advocate, David Ambroz. The scene is 1990’s New York City. Young David Ambroz and his two siblings are homeless, sleeping in bus shelters and bathing in public restrooms, under the care of his mentally ill mother.…


Overachieving as a cry for help: with Laurel Braitman

This week on It’s OK that You’re Not OK: Overachieving as a cry for help: with Laurel Braitman. Lots of smart, high achieving people learned to greet pain with stoicism: by being mature and responsible, even as kids. But what happens when you can’t maintain the facade of having your sh*t entirely together?


Such Ferocious Beauty: with Margo Timmins of the Cowboy Junkies

This week on It’s OK that You’re Not OK: Such Ferocious Beauty: with Margo Timmins of the Cowboy Junkies. Dementia means losing your person over and over again. Margo Timmins and her siblings watched their father lose pieces of himself for years. They processed all that loss the way they always have: through music.…


Cruelty on Steroids: how we talk to each other, with Jameela Jamil

This week on It’s OK that You’re Not OK: Cruelty on Steroids: how we talk to each other, with Jameela Jamil. We fight hard for the things we believe in. But HOW we fight for those things causes more damage than we realize.


Why do we celebrate trauma (aka: resilience)? with Dr. Gabor Maté

Did anyone teach you that understanding your grief is the key to being (or becoming) a healthy human being? Probably not. This week on It’s OK that You’re Not OK: Why do we celebrate trauma (aka: resilience)? with world-renowned author and physician Dr. Gabor Maté.


Sorry For Your Loss: comedian Michael Cruz Kayne

This week on It’s OK that You’re Not OK: Sorry For Your Loss: comedian Michael Cruz Kayne. How do you turn the worst thing that’s ever happened to you into a comedy show? Comedian Michael Cruz Kayne went viral for a tweet he posted on the 10th anniversary of his newborn son’s death.


Elise Loehnen: The 7 Deadly Sins and The Crown of Sadness

This week on It’s OK that You’re Not OK: Elise Loehnen: the 7 deadly sins and the crown of sadness. Should you stop being “good”? According to the 7 deadly sins, a “good person” needs no rest, has no appetite, has no desires, puts themselves last, and is never upset.


Tembi Locke: From Scratch

This week on It’s OK that You’re Not OK: Tembi Locke: From Scratch. Is it still a Hollywood love story if it doesn’t have a happy ending? Tembi Locke joins me to talk about love and Hollywood, time and meaning.


Sam Sanders: life has been lifing

Sam Sanders is a well known and well loved radio and podcast host. This week on It’s OK, Sam joins us to talk about being open with his grief, and the ongoing relationships we have with those who have died.


Steven Kotler: peak performance and getting older (for humans and for dogs!)

When life feels hard, does “peak performance” mean anything?  Steven Kotler is known as the NYT best selling author of books like Stealing Fire and The Rise of Superman, but can the science of stretching limits apply to grief of any kind?


adrienne maree brown: permission to be free

What if there’s nothing to fix? What if you could just, you know, be yourself – whatever that looks like today?  This week on It's OK, it’s all grief – and it’s all love with adrienne maree brown. There is nothing to fix, and there is plenty to change.


Horse Barbie & Cultivating Trans Joy with Geena Rocero

Can you hide in plain sight? This week on It’s OK, Filipina-American model Geena Rocero, author of Horse Barbie: A Memoir, shares what it costs to suppress your true self in order to find safety and success, and why joy is powerful medicine.


Organized Grief = Social Movements with Malkia Devich-Cyril

Grief is everywhere, so why aren't we talking about how much it connects us? Don't miss this week's episode with poet & media activist Malkia Devich-Cyril.


Real Self-Care with Dr. Pooja Lakshmin

Why doesn't self-care (as it's marketed to us) really work? Dr. Pooja Lakshmin breaks down what “self-care” actually means when we’re living in a complex, capitalistic world.


Is there any good news on climate change? with Bill McKibben

Everything about climate change is overwhelming. Climate activist and author Bill McKibben discusses how we face the reality of the climate crisis.


A Renaissance of Our Own: the stories we tell ourselves with Rachel Cargle

Can grief be an opportunity for growth & self-understanding? This week: Rachel Cargle discusses survival optimism, the resilience narrative, and more!


Can we make this place beautiful? with Maggie Smith

Does anything remain after devastating loss? Author Maggie Smith discusses writing, divorce, miscarriage, & why the lemonade isn’t always worth the lemons.


Wonder in an age of violence: Valarie Kaur & See No Stranger

How do you work for a more just world for EVERYONE, when some of those people cause great harm? Find out on this week's show w/ special guest Valarie Kaur.


The Things That Define Us, with Chase Jarvis: Part Two

In part two with Chase Jarvis, we get into a deep discussion over whether a successful person is allowed to feel intense grief, or if success disqualifies you.


The grief of getting what you want: with Chase Jarvis

Have you ever felt something, then immediately “disqualified” yourself from feeling it? As if you don’t have the right to feel what you’re feeling?


Live each day like it’s your first: with Alua Arthur

What would a meaningful life look like for you? Death Doula Alua Arthur on building a relationship with yourself and others that doesn’t hold anything back.


What’s it all for? Loss and meaning in midlife with Chip Conley

Midlife has a lot of messy stuff in it. What if midlife (and beyond) could include an ever deepening sense of self and more satisfying connections – right alongside all that cascading loss?


Living with chronic illness: a conversation for everyone with a body, with Sarah Ramey

If you’ve ever felt invisible because of an illness or disability, or loved someone with a chronic illness, this week's show with Sarah Ramey is for you.


Collective Grief and Communal Joy: with Baratunde Thurston

Can you heal pain by focusing on joy? Baratunde Thurston gave what’s been called “the greatest TED talk of all time.” This week’s episode is a fascinating discussion of both grief and celebration – and why you don’t get one without the other.


Is There Grief In Politics? with Dr. Gabor Maté

If you think politics and grief have nothing in common (or you think you don’t care about politics!) this short conversation might change your mind.


Why do we celebrate trauma (aka: resilience)? with Dr. Gabor Maté

What is personal agency and why does losing it create disease? Dr. Gabor Maté discusses the role of trauma and grief in our personal lives and in society at large.


It’s Ok that You’re Not OK: the podcast

What would be different if we could all just tell the truth about our lives? Welcome to SEASON THREE of It’s OK that You’re Not OK: the podcast (FKA: Here After with Megan Devine). 


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